GRL – A Reader’s Perspective
There has been a lot said by all kinds of people on all kinds of forums regarding the latest GRL Newletter … I thought it might be “fun” to get the opinion of a reader. I would also love to see what your thoughts are, so please feel free to comment.
Just keep it nice and polite. Thanks.
“My little corner of the Internet just blew up. Gay Rom Lit has changed the rules for author registration!
Wailing and gnashing of teeth set to begin in 3, 2, 1…
The new rules are horrendous and create an elite author class! New authors are shut out! They’re blaming the readers for these heinous changes! Okay, so after the announcement from GRL that there is a lot of misinformation going around and they’ll publicly post the new rules things calmed down. The grand majority of the rumors I heard proved to either be completely false or very far off the mark.
Then shit got ugly. Yes, there really will be a small but select group of writers that previous attendees thought were “must-haves” for the conference. This seems to be a major sticking point for several authors whose commentary on social media I regularly read.
According to the first GRL newsletter the conference is for the sake of the reader. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the organizers for ever thinking to give me a conference in the first place. Authors write their thoughts for me to read, and I get a conference! I’m thankful, but I’m not foolish. I’m aware GRL is a marketing extravaganza to a captive market. I can see how access to readers can be a boon for a writer’s career. Consequently, I can see how threats to that access are at worst frightening and at best hurtful and disappointing. There are ways to handle fear and disappointment with charm and grace. I didn’t see much of that today.
I’m sorry, but yes, I have favorite authors I would prefer to see above others. I have lots of favorite things I prefer above other things. As a reader, I am telling people right now that I like the policy of advance registration for highly successful and popular authors. Does that mean there might be some people who won’t be able to attend? I’m sorry, but yes, there will be some people who do not get to attend the conference as an author. I would like to repeat they won’t be able to attend as an author. Nothing at all is stopping them from attending the conference as a reader.
I take one vacation a year. It’s to GRL. I’m not rolling in money, so I save most of the year to be able to go. Thankfully, I live in the US and it’s relatively cheap for me as compared to the numerous people who will fly internationally to attend GRL. Please, authors, keep that in perspective. People are flying across the globe to see you. Some authors have commented they’re so disgusted with the prospect of advance registration they just won’t attend GRL at all. Really? I want to be charitable. I understand feelings have been hurt. No one ever wants to learn they’re not the most popular, but this isn’t High School. Publishing is a business. To be successful GRL must follow good business practices to attract the readers. When I attend because I desperately want to see Author Awesomesauce whose book I lurve with all my wee stone heart I’ll be in the same room as Author Pretty-Good, whose book I read but can’t really remember the love interest’s name. If you’re pretty good there is a chance I’ll buy your next book when I see it on the display table. I remember pretty good even if I can’t remember all the names.
Given I spend a ludicrous amount of money buying books (My husband would shit bricks if he knew!) I don’t see how keeping yourself from me, your reader, is to your benefit. I also don’t see how publicly complaining, for hours on end, is to your benefit. I’m capable of reading the words you’re writing all over my corner of the Internet. I had empathy when it started. I really did, but it’s time to shut up now. You’re trying to sell me a book. If you’re pissed you may not be chosen as one of the select few channel that anger to write a book I’ll lurve with all my wee stone heart. If you’re pissed and you just want to complain on the Internet I’m going to remember your name and not buy your books. Disgust is a powerful negative motivator. Please use it wisely.”
I missed out last year, but am desperate to go to Atlanta this year. Todays conflict within “our” genre is saddening. I think what Ethan Day, Carol Lynne and their team have done so far is amazing. Was the release of the rules handled clumsily? Yeah, possibly. Probably. But with the possibility of author registrations being greater than reader spots surely something had to give.
Thanks, as always, Andrea for an enthusiastic post. I have known you for a few years now and have always valued your opinion xx
So, what do YOU think?
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
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Well *I* certainly couldn’t 🙂
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Yeah, today left a lot of ugliness out there. Some people really blew it out of proportion. When it was all explained I thought it was well thought out. I’m planning on going. Thanks for all the hard work GRL coordinators. ❤
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Yes! Thank you very much for all the hard work. Dealing with today was certainly part of that hard work. I really appreciate you!
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I love GRL, and I thank you for writing what I couldn’t even begin to. 🙂 and continued thanks to all the GRL coordinators.
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I agree! I am yet to experience GRL – but from what I have heard it is such a blast! The organisers are doing a fabulous job!
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So well written!!!!! WOW!
Personally, I would love to experience an event like this one and I understand something this big is going to have snafu’s!!! No doubt wordsmiths on both sides could have done a little more editing and read throughs before posting… But these are high strung writers we’re talking about!!!!
GRL 2013 which has never been on my radar got the full monty today!!!!
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Come Constance….
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Would totally love too!!!!! You all will have to post lots of pics!!!!! (Especially the embarrassing ones!!!!!)
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I’m glad that everything has been cleared up and thought the second newsletter did a very good job of explaining the process that is being used, which is trying to strike a necessary balance between fair and practical. Personally, as one of those international readers travelling a long way to attend, I had an absolute ball at last year’s GRL and I’m really looking forward to this year’s. As everyone calms down, I hope that those who fear they may miss out attending as authors this year realise that even if that does turn out to be the case, there are other ways of attending and enjoying this well run event organised by a great team willing to volunteer their time to do so. I’d also like to add my thanks for the awesome job the organisers do.
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A lot of things were said over the past 24 hours that don’t need repeating but I would like to comment on one point from above.
If I go to a Supernatural convention (yes, I do) I don’t expect to be treated as cast or crew. I’m a fan. I go as such.
If I go to a genre convention in which I write, I want to be treated as a writer. I work damn hard 365 days a year and something like GRL is topping on the cake, particular as I live in the UK.
I am a reader, but I’m a writer first. Last year GRL was the most amazing experience ever, and part of that was the recognition for what I do.
I hope you can see there is a difference.
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I absolutely see there is a difference. And I love meeting authors. I am in awe of the job you do. But I am also impressed with the job the GRL organizers have done. I just think some of this fallout could have been avoided. People seemed to be trying to feed the fury. I don’t envy the job of the organizers in trying to find a fair way of balancing the numbers. There has to be a way of ensuring that there are not more authors than readers surely. At the end of the day readers and writers need eachother. But I too was of the understanding that the GRL event is essentially a readers convention. We want to buy your books. But understand that maybe 100+ authors are too much to handle. The criteria used to reduce or at best maintain that number is a difficult thing to set. Fairly. I just think maybe the handling was a bit clumsy ; but I definitely felt some of the comments were right out of order.
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Have you ever known a furore that didn’t get overheated? 🙂 The genre has had its fair share of dramas.
I’ll be honest and say I didn’t know it was a ‘readers’ convention. I thought it was more a holistic lovers of the genre meet. That’s what it felt like last year. If the convention is aimed at one section then i understand goal posts have to be changed (only my opinion).
As someone so understatedly said, feathers have been ruffled. My plumage was distinctly bent out of shape yesterday.
Everyone will take a deep breath and regroup. We love our genre.
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Yes we do! I am at this minute adding to my GRL A-Z (even if it is out of date) from last year – I am still finding it fascinating just how many authors are out there!! I do hope you still go Sue, I would love to meet you. At a books signing table or the bar 😉
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The bar. Definitely the bar.
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yay!!!
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This post sealed my decision. Thank you for sharing it.
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It takes courage to change your mind over something on a public forum, so props to you Zathyn! Look forward to having a drink and a chat with you. btw The Statue.. AWESOME!!
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Yay! I am really looking forward to meeting you!
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Amazing response from a reader who seriously reads and loves authors. The GRL organizers attempted some reorganization to keep the event running smoothly. The conference update could been written with more finesse, that’s true. Writers were hurt and complained. The organizers responded in writing and ran a live-stream to answer questions. Readers were caught in the middle. This angst is called growing pains. I hope authors who wish to interact with readers will attend because I am looking forward to meeting all of you with respect and awe of your efforts, with cash in hand to buy books. Whether you are at the event as a featured writer on the program or as a writer/reader, we reader/fans get to meet you because we do love and support the genre
PS. Sue, I hope you come, too. 🙂
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we’ll be in the bar, Carli 😛
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Yay!
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Really the only thing i paid attention to is the registration will be open soon as a reader and living close this the first time i am going and some of my writers are going some aren’t. I so cannot wait til GRL
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Wow, Andy. Great job. It will be okay. The genre is growing rapidly, as it should. It is my understanding that some of the bigger romance conferences have “invited” authors for many years. I think it is wonderful that the amazing authors of m/m have such a devoted following. Finally!
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A couple of points I would like to clear up. I am an author who has attended the past 2 GRLs and will go again if can. However, for me it is not a marketing extravaganza. I do not go there to show off and sell my books; I go there to network with readers, publishers, editors, and other authors, and also to hook up again with friends I met at past cons. What upsets me most is that many of them won’t be there because most of those friends are authors. It’s not surprising those with whom I made the closest connections are writers. We have a lot in common, after all.
Now, I think it is not only right but the usual practice to invite a limited number of celebrities, even to waive their registration fee. But the organizers have not said how many authors will be given the opportunity to pre-register, and there are some between-the-lines comments that suggest half. That I consider favoritism. If I (and many others) are wrong, the organizers need to clear this up tell us in advance how many open slots there would be if all the authors who get invited accept. IT’s called transparency.
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Hi Anel, I believe this was covered in the Q&A session yesterday. The pre-invite slots don’t even make up a third of the slots available, so I’m not sure what source your information is coming from. Also, please feel free to contact any of the organizers for clarifications if you have them. There is quite a bit of misinformation out there. And, to set your mind at ease, we are not waiving registration fees for the authors on the pre-invite list.
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Hi Carol,
I never thought you were waiving the fees. I said that IMO it would be okay to waive the fees for an invited guest of honor. Personally, I think a half-dozen or even 10 authors invited to pre-register would be okay, twice that or more I have problems with. But that’s just my opinion.
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I think it’s great that you guys have been so available to answer questions the last two days. Some, not here, but around FB have not been so nice. So bravo to you guys for keeping your heads when so many did not. I understand how people got upset with the rumors swirling around but if we really are like family we should be able to get over and not let a few ruin it for many. Can’t wait for October and thanks again! ❤
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We have links to both the original newsletter and the revised rules in the post above.
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I apologize if I stopped the discussion. On a positive note, love, love the avatars on this blog.
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I do too 🙂 you look wonderful!
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I’ve always found it interesting how the internet tends to breed teapot tempests. Yes, the original rumors made folks terribly angry (much of the content of those rumors? incorrect or exaggeration, unfortunately.) It will be terribly disappointing not to be able to attend as an author if I don’t make it in time to the registration site, but it’s not the end of the world and I may still come as a reader if it comes to that.
I love my readers. I love the genre. I still want to interact with like-minded folks and go to panels and ask questions and drink with friends I never get to see. That’s what it’s all about, right?
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I love hearing this from an author after hearing so much negative yesterday. Thank you! Of course you want to talk to your fellow authors as we want to talk to fellow readers. If you weren’t already on my list of authors I read I’d be off to check you out. 😀
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I completely agree that it’s all about getting together with like minded people and having fun. Thank you for stating it so baldly!
As a reader, I can also say even if you are unable to get a coveted author spot I’ll still be reading name tags. If you’re there, you’re fair game! Readers know author names and we have no qualms butting into your private conversations to ask for a picture with you or tell you how much we love your work. We want you there in any capacity. You are our rock stars and heroes.
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I totally agree. Just like anything in life, we have certain things (people) we like better than others. I didn’t get to attend last year and am glad that this year I know my top fave authors are getting first pick. I’m sure that sounds selfish, but if I am spending money and time to go, I want what I want.
Thanks for putting into words my feelings on this.
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I agree that the furor was exaggerated and got out of hand. At the same time, I see it from an author’s perspective. Authors also spend time attending cons, and a lot more money than readers, too. Not only are their registration fees higher, they pay for each spotlight, reading, Q&A, etc. they are in, they shell out at least as much on swag as they do for everything else, and more authors travel from other countries to attend than readers do. At the first GRL, I took some readers out for meals. For them, some of the benefits of attending differ from what readers get, but most of them are the same. That’s also true for editors and publishers. Everyone, not just readers, deserve to get their money’s worth. I’m not saying GRL hasn’t given or won’t go on giving authors their money’s worth; I’m just pointing out that all attendees’ needs count.
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I believe the point Andrea was trying to make is that if your ego prevents you from going you won’t be able to do any business at all. Whether you call it marketing or networking a con is business for authors, publishers, and editors. Readers aren’t incapable of seeing there are two sides to every coin. Attending with a reader badge will in no way prevent someone who is well known in the m/m community from networking. Regular con attendees have both name and face recognition. If someone refuses to attend due to the type of registration it’s folly. Plain and simple.
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As one of those few (although I met a surprising amount of fellow travellers ) international readers, I shelled out almost $3000 last year to go and can’t claim any of that as business expenses. Authors can, and if they use the event correctly, they can make money from sales of their books both during and after the event. I’m not really sure what point you were trying to make, but authors should be paying more than the reader. We don’t recuperate ANY of our costs back at all.
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The point I was trying to make is everyone makes sacrifices to attend and no one can get everything they want. There are no good guys or bad guys. The presence of a less-known author is not cheating readers.
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We work very hard to make sure everyone’s needs are met, but our job is to organize the retreat. What you get out of the event has a lot to do with how much you put into it and no, I’m not necessarily talking about money. I’ve seen authors at the retreat who didn’t have the money for fancy swag or spotlights, but they were open and friendly and took the time to sit down with the readers and really talk to them. That’s what the retreat is about.
Aniko is right, readers don’t get to write off their expenses. They buy books so that authors can afford to go. The reason I started the retreat in the first place was to give myself, other authors and publishers a way to say thank you to the readers for their support.
I do care about authors, don’t forget, I am one, but I honestly care about GRL as a whole more than any one individual. I will continue to do what is best for the retreat because I’ve given my word to do just that.
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Less known authors will have the opportunity to sign up on a first come first serve basis. They also have the opportunity to attend as a reader. They could make some shirts at CafePress with their names on it! People who want to talk to them will. People who don’t care or dislike them won’t.
I will say candidly and bluntly I’ve been reading complaints for two full days. There are authors I will at this point never read. Ever. I’m not naming names, but I am fully disgusted by their online behavior.
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As an author, I have attended the last two GRL gatherings. I know the organizers and I know how hard they work to make the retreat special for everyone who attends.
As with any gathering of any size, problems arise, sometimes during the con, and I personally saw each of the organizers putting out small fires, all for the benefit of the attendees.
Nothing was done yesterday to harm authors or readers. The changes were brought about to benefit everyone and will when allowed to play out. There has always been a cap on author’s numbers. Some authors had to go last year as readers and didn’t get a spot at the booksigning, most notably, Claire London. She did however, greet her fans and had a great time at the signing. You couldn’t miss her–she wore a very pink wig and visited with everyone.
This is a tempest and shouldn’t cause hurt feelings. Change sometimes hurts but any changes put forth by the unbelievably overworked organizers, should be taken personally by any author. Despite the fact that we write fiction, we, as people, should be grounded in reality. There are authors much more popular than me and I salute them. I aspire to be like them. To do that, I continue to write books that people will read. THAT is the only way readers become aware of new authors, by their books.
I applaud Barb for writing a beautifully worded post. Thank you for making your thoughts know. I suspect you aren’t the only one with the same thoughts. As a reader, I have my favorite authors and others I’ve tried and didn’t like. That doesn’t mean, however, that I am not happy when I get to meet them at GRL. We all strive to do our best and in the end, we can only hope that readers appreciate what we have put forth.
See you all at GRL.
Best,
Brita
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That should read – any changes shouldn’t be taken personally.
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I met so many people at GRL last year. Readers, like me, and authors. It was so much fun. I met authors I’d never read but liked them so much I bought their books. Even if GRL started as a reader conference it does have that wonderful community vibe. The kind that makes everyone feel comfortable enough to chat up the person next to you, who may or may not be an author. Have a drink with Geoff Knight or dance with Marie Sexton. Talk for thirty minutes with Rhys Ford or hug Aleksandr Voinov! So awesome! Or meet people you talk to online daily but only get to see once a year. It’s such a wonderful experience and to let pride get in the way of that is just sad.
You know what, I think Clare was hunted down! People were actually whispering about her. “Clare’s here?” “Where?” “She has the pink hair!” lol Thanks for being a voice of reason, Brita. I’m so happy to hear it! 😀
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Hi Whit,
GRL does have a wonderful community feel. We did a terrific Boxer Falls event and the room was packed with great authors and readers. The events were great and I had a ball at the book signing.
Alex Voinov is a good friend, but I got to meet him last year at GRL. We had a few nice conversations, had lunch and coffee together. What a treat! He is a huggy sort. I met Sue Brown, who I simply love.
GRL is many things to many people. The organizers work very hard to make it better each year. There are inevitably going to be changes, but I know that whatever changes come about will be for the best.
If you go to GRL this year, Look me up. I’d love to meet you and everyone else.
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A great point by point by Marie Sexton … seems fair, to me. http://mariesexton.net/the-facts-about-grl
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